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Discussion for Today

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_December_20

December 20

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Ranged weapon stubs

Propose merging Category:Ranged weapon stubs to Category:Weapon stubs

Nominator's rationale: Ranged weapon has been deleted, thus a merge is required as this category in its current state is not appropriate. This also implies that Template:Ranged-weapon-stub be deleted as well for similar reasons. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Melee weapon stubs

Propose merging Category:Melee weapon stubs to Category:Weapon stubs

Nominator's rationale: With melee weapon now deleted/a redirect/etc. this category is no longer relevant or necessary. It is only generally used in a gaming sense anyway and is inappropriate for real life weapons. This also would include the deletion of Template:Melee-weapon-stub because it would be pointless without the associated category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dual screen phone

Propose renaming Category:Dual screen phone to Category:Dual screen smartphones

Nominator's rationale: All of the phones present, as of now, in this category are smartphones. Some are foldables, some are not. Almost all, or at least big majority of clamshell dumb phones have 2 screens. As it is now, all of those should also be in this category, but that is not necessary as the clamshell category covers them. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 11:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete "Dual screen" is not a "shape" so it would not properly fit in its parent category. It is also too vague to be defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 02:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: see above
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 17:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Agapanthiinae-stub

Propose deleting Template:Agapanthiinae-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unused and malformed stub template. This was newly created within the past few days, but (a) hasn't been applied to any pages at all, (b) tried to stub-sort its theoretical entries into a redlinked category that doesn't exist to have pages in it but can't be created until the template's on 60 pages, and (c) even the class of thing it's purportedly for is a redlink in the template text, meaning I have absolutely no way to sort out what to do with it (such as what pages to add it to, or what higher-level category to have it upfile any such entries into).
Based on playing around with the word's spelling in the search bar, the best theory I can come up with is that this was a misspelling of Agapanthiini -- but if that's what they meant, then this is just redundant because {{Agapanthiini-stub}} already exists for that, and if they meant something else I have no other way to figure out what was intended.
So I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody can figure out that it actually has any potential use, but it can't be kept if it's both broken and unused. Bearcat (talk) 16:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It appears that Agapanthiinae is a valid subfamily, athough it seems as if it's usually included in Lamiinae? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 17:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - the attempt to create the stub was initiated by the researcher who recently proposed raising the tribe to subfamily rank in a self-published work. No other researchers have adopted this classification, so this is a clear WP:COI violation, as are most of this same editor's other edits, mostly citing his own numerous self-published works. Self-published works are not generally considered reliable sources, and it's even worse when the editor trying to cite them is the author of those works. The number of WP:COI violations by this editor should be a real concern. Dyanega (talk) 19:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:White American football cornerbacks

Propose merging Category:White American football cornerbacks to Category:American football cornerbacks

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, no reason to split people off based on whether they are White American or not, as skin colour doesn't have any impact on whether or not they are a cornerback. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American films set in New York City

Propose merging Category:American films set in New York City to Category:Films set in New York City

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT. While categories such as Category:British films set in New York City and Category:French films set in New York City are valid, it doesn't make sense for this particular category to exist, considering that it's safe to say that the vast majority of films set in New York City are American. snapsnap ^(talk) 21:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge. Instead I would propose renaming Category:Foreign films set in the United States (because foreign according to whom? English Wikipedia has a global audience and isn't exclusively American) to Category:Films set in the United States by country of production (or "of release"; something to get at "American films set in" and "French films set in" etc.) and putting this category, along with its parent category Category:American films set in the United States into the new container Category:Films set in the United States by country of production. This would create an opportunity to better categorize the over 450 articles in the category currently called Category:Foreign films set in the United States and would create more consistency with the various "X films set in New York City" categories. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 11:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming Category:Foreign films set in the United States requires a separate discussion, it is a different issue, but I agree that "foreign" too much a matter of POV. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a better name for Category:Foreign films set in the United States could be Category:Non-American films set in the United States, but yes, it's a different issue. The primary issue here is that categories such as Category:American films set in New York City (or Category:American films set in the United States, for that matter) are pointless. snapsnap ^(talk) 22:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With a parent category like Category:Films set in the United States by country of production, I don't think categories like Category:American films set in New York City or Category:American films set in the United States would be pointless. It seems like an U. S.-centric point of view to assume that a movie set in the United States would, with no other information, by be default be an American movie. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 05:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a "U.S.-centric point of view", it's common sense. American films set in New York City (or any other American city) aren't nearly as uncommon as non-American films set in NYC or the US, hence why I don't see categories like Category:American films set in New York City, Category:American films set in the United States and the proposed Category:Films set in the United States by country of production as anything other than overcategorization and puffery. snapsnap ^(talk) 16:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With over 450 articles in what is currently Category:Foreign films set in the United States, I'm struggling to see why organizing films further by country of productive would be overcategorization; the category seems a little under-organized right now. How it would be puffery is beyond me. Lots of categories are containerized and subcategorized by nation/nationality. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 04:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point. The focus of this particular discussion is Category:American films set in New York City, not Category:Foreign films set in the United States. This isn't merely about subcategorization by country. The issue here, specifically, is how Category:American films set in New York City is pointless and completely unnecessary, considering that it's safe to assume that the vast majority of films set in New York City are American. Bottom line: subcategorizing American films by American city is nothing but overcategorization. snapsnap ^(talk) 19:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. This is similar to Category:French films set in Paris which we also do not have. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as nominated. Films being set in the country within which they are produced is not defining. I particularly agree with Marcocapelle's point about how French films set in Paris is not France-centric. I appreciate fighting US-centrism, but this is not an instance of it. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 20:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 13:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NBA championship–winning players from outside the United States

Propose merging Category:NBA championship–winning players from outside the United States to Category:NBA championship–winning players

Nominator's rationale: Merge to parent category. This is pretty much a recreation of what was merged in this previous Cfd. I don't see how this is different except that the previously deleted categories have been made into one big one - no need to make a distinction between where a championship-winning player was born for a category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Noon Universe novels

Propose renaming Category:Noon Universe novels to Category:Noon Universe

Nominator's rationale: "novels" creates unnecessary restriction and is not involved in categorization. I want to add some times (films, etc) but I dont want to create a supercategory for a rather narrow category. --Altenmann >talk 08:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:WikiProject on open proxies

Propose renaming Category:WikiProject on open proxies to Category:WikiProject Open proxies

Nominator's rationale: Since the WikiProject has been renamed, it makes sense to rename the category too. Nobody (talk) 06:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Languages attested

Propose merging Category: Constructed languages introduced in the 1580s to Category:Constructed languages, Category:Languages attested from the 16th century and Category:1580s introductions
Propose merging Category: Languages attested from 1585 to Category:Languages attested from the 16th century and Category:1585 introductions

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article categories, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ancient Roman Catholic saints

Propose deleting Category:Ancient Roman Catholic saints (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, we do not categorize pre-Schism saints by denomination. All articles are already in Category:3rd-century Christian saints etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia oversighters

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia oversighters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia checkusers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is redundant to Special:Users, which is automatically maintained and is up to date at all times. The users involved were not asked nor did they consent to being placed in this category, and some of the pages that have been included do not fit into the category (e.g., User:Deskana/Userboxes/oversight since). Deskana has not been an oversighter for many years, and their name should not be included in this category, even peripherally. The category is not maintained, and it is poor use of editor time to maintain a redundant category. Risker (talk) 03:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: This category was created before the Single User Login (SUL) conversion, and may have made sense at the time, but has now been supplanted by Special:Users. Risker (talk) 04:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Combined the 2 nominations. Courtesy ping to Risker. - jc37 20:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Delete per nom. It contains editors who are not oversighters (e.g. Deskana) and doesn't contain some editors who are (e.g. me). Thryduulf (talk) 10:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This category is filled by at least top icons and likely also user boxes. Errors of incorrect inclusion should be corrected instead of used as examples IMO.... Izno (talk) 20:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Monuments and memorials to Queen Elizabeth II

Propose renaming Category:Monuments and memorials to Queen Elizabeth II to Category:Monuments and memorials to Elizabeth II

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME, which clearly states that standard naming conventions used for articles also apply to categories. As a result, this category needs to be made consistent with dozens of other categories on Elizabeth II, including Category:Elizabeth II, Category:Coronation of Elizabeth II, Category:Cultural depictions of Elizabeth II, etc. The guidelines and the consensus discourage the use of prefixes "King", "Queen", etc. before a sovereign's regnal name (per WP:SOVEREIGN and various discussions from June 2018, May 2019 (1), May 2019 (2), etc.). Keivan.f^Talk 03:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename, it seems like it could have been listed at speedy because of WP:C2D and WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename --Altenmann >talk 09:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per direct link to the category's topic article. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Belarusian saints

Propose downmerging Category:Belarusian saints to Category:Eastern Orthodox saints from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

Nominator's rationale: Downmerge redundant layer after recent renaming and merger. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 9#Category:Eastern Orthodox saints from Belarus. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual#Other. Pinging @HouseBlaster: here we go. NLeeuw (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, NL! Support per nom. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 00:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Downmerge (basically delete) per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Eliminate anachronism. --Altenmann >talk 09:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Military families by nationality

Propose renaming Category:Military families of the United States to Category:American military families

Nominator's rationale: Per Category:Salvadoran families and other subcategories of category:Business families by country. Moved from Speedy after objection. Mike Selinker (talk) 00:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Selinker: Wouldn't C2C dictate that the categories above should stay xyz families by Country, instead of switching to Country xyz families? Hey man im josh (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just following up about this @Mike Selinker. To be clear though, my objection/question starts from military families onwards. I don't have an opinion on the other family nominations above that. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that the precedent is in the "[Nationality] families" scheme. But I could see it going either way.--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A looooot of these categories are inappropriate intersections between the people by country and people by nationality tree. I think we first need to decide in which of these two trees we want the business families and military families to be in, because it cannot be both. Country is probably more important than nationality: business people can have nationality A while running well-known businesses in country B, and soldiers with nationality A can serve as mercenaries for country B. The country you serve, or the country you operate your business in, is probably more WP:DEFINING for you as a person or family, or that society you work in/for, than the flag in your passport. NLeeuw (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The suggested renaming obfuscates the fact that the categorization should be by nationality, not by ethnicity. Categorization by ethnicity should be for things inherently cultural/antropological. --Altenmann >talk 09:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Transport in Balutola

Propose deleting Category:Transport in Balutola (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Single-entry category for one thing in a small village, with the added bonus that the thing isn't even in that village, it's in a larger place near the village. But we categorize things for the places that they're in, not the places that the places they're in are near, so this isn't warranted at all. Bearcat (talk) 00:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Altenmann >talk 08:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]