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Fix

This is a mess i'm not about to fix, partly out of fear that the anachronistic "of Constantinople" really is an accepted name for these Bishops of Byz. Felix is now piped directly to Felix of Byzantium, who is also now the target of several other redirects, but only bcz that's what it took to make sense of his entries on LoPbN, Felix, and maybe a few others. Someone with more commitment to this topic has a project waiting for them, to research the proper names for the red lks & create all the redirects that are implicit in the other versions already on WP. (For instance, even in the cases of 136 and 141, i didn't venture to reword the anachronism that may make some sense on this talk page's article, but is horribly misleading in contexts that are restricted to the 1st thru 3rd centuries.
--Jerzy·t 05:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Done. I'm still not sure if the article on Alexander (dead 337) has a wrong name. He's listed as Patriarch Alexander of Constantinople. Isn't his correct title Bishop, Archbishop or perhaps Metropolitan? As far as I know, the First Council of Constantinople elevated Constantinople to a patriarchate, but this was rejected by two popes, so the title wasn't established until the Council of Calchedon in 451. Thoughts anyone? --Valentinian 09:43, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed references to "Patriarch" this-or-that before 381 and re-named articles accordingly. The title was not used before that year. --Valentinian 21:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed some of references PARTIALLY according to "Ecumencial Patriarchate of Constantinople", Encyclopedia Britannica 2005 Deluxe Edition CD-ROM., i.e. this-or-that of byzantium before 330, this-or-that of Constantinople between 330 and 381, patriarch this-or-that of Constantinople 381 onwards. I.H.S.V. [[User_talk:Ktsquare|(talk)]] 02:02, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Patriarchate since 381?

Surely Patriarchate only since Chalcedon in 451? --InfernoXV 18:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Super information, but much of it doesn't belong here

needs some fixing up, sadly im too lazy and uninformed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.176.147 (talk) 23:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Oecumenical?

Good folk, just to get a consensus of sorts - do you all think that every single Patriarch of Constantinople needs to have 'Oecumenical' (or 'Ecumenical' even) before 'Patriarch'? Surely nobody's going to mistake any other Patriarchate as the Oecumenical Patriarchate? Does anyone out there support renaming those individual patriarchs' articles back to plain old 'Patriarch so-and-so of Constantinople"? Hectorian's argument here, on reflection, I no longer find convincing. InfernoXV 21:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"biased" sources

Which sources would be "unbiased", and therefore acceptable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.30.193.116 (talk) 09:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Numbering of Bartholomew I

On this list, Bartholomew I is numbered 269th, but his article says he is the 270th patriarch. Richard75 (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Theopanes II not listed on official list of Ecumenical Patriarchs

I am trying to write an article on Theopanes II of Constantinople and I checked the list of Ecumenical Patriarchs on the official website for the Ecumenical Patriarchate, [1][2], and he isn't listed on there. I also searched for Theopanes II on Google and couldn't find any results for him, so I think this might be a hoax. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 15:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He was added to the list by @Ktsquare: in this edit. Maybe we can ask Ktsquare about the source. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would do that. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 07:47, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So long ago... -- Ktsquare (talk) 20:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

on the Kiminas (see Note 2 in Article for reference), which is the best scholar text at the moment on the Greek Orthodox Hierarchy, Theopanes II is not listed as a patriarch in the list of Patriarch (pag 40). However under Patriarch Parthenius IV (1 time: 1 May 1667 - end June 1662) we have at note 39 pag 46:"[he] was deposed in April 1659 by Thophanes, the former Metropolitan of Melenikos, however three day later Parthenius managed to annul the decision" So I propose to remove it and to remove also the vacant (1659–1662) which is not true. A ntv (talk) 06:13, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support the proposition to remove Theophanes and "vacant (1659–1662)" from the article. I think at best he could be included in a disputed section of the article similar to alot of other chronological lists of people, but there is no source that claims that he was the Ecumenical Patriarch, just that he deposed Parthenius IV. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 17:26, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If we remove Theophanes II, would we not also have to change the numbering for all the other ecumenical patriarchs after 1659?? GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 09:29, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

206. Dionysius IV Muselimes (1671–1673)

What is "Muselimes" and why is he referred to as the Muslim? The article on him doesn't tell us anything about this.

206. Dionysius IV Muselimes (1671–1673)

Dionysius IV Muselimes (the Muslim) (1676–1679), restored 1st time

Dionysius IV Muselimes (the Muslim) (1682–1684), restored 2nd time

Dionysius IV Muselimes (the Muslim) (1686–1687), restored 3rd time

Dionysius IV Muselimes (the Muslim) (1693–1694), restored 4th time 2600:1702:1DE0:8FB0:D092:D781:1DE3:E3C6 (talk) 03:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

187. Cyril I Lucaris (locum tenens, 1612)

What is locum tenens? His article isn't very clear on this. 2600:1702:1DE0:8FB0:D092:D781:1DE3:E3C6 (talk) 03:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC) The term has more than one definition, meaning holding a position temporarily. Cyril was removed, then restored, as several other Patriarchs were, so shouldn't those other Patriarchs also have the notation, locum tenens? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.9.112.135 (talk) 20:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]