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Q1: Why does the opening describe Ferdinand Marcos Sr. as a dictator and a kleptocrat?
A1: Several discussions have already been held, with the consensus being that reliable sources support that Ferdinand Marcos Sr. was a kleptocrat and a dictator. Wikipedia is written in a neutral point of view and facts overrule personal views and opinions. As such, Wikipedia does not censor nor whitewash these facts, regardless of the other works and accomplishments of Ferdinand Marcos Sr.
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Hey, y'all. I've just been reading up on Marcos as a matter of interest and I find that this article is in need of improvements. While the information in the article, at least to my knowledge, is complete and comprehensive, it is structured and written in ways that make it difficult to understand or use effectively. I've flagged three main issues with this article, which I'll address one at a time.
Tone: the tone of the article switches throughout and several sections feel very much like a personal diatribe written by someone who dislikes Marcos (not judging, he was a really bad person, but this is an encyclopedia). It also feels like the article is leading the reader to make certain conclusions about Marcos (which seems superfluous, considering how much he stole, but I digress), which is contrary to Wikipedia guidelines.
The sectioning in this article is odd, to say the least, especially the sections regarding Marcos' terms as President. The writing skips back and forth between historical events in a confusing way, and there are several very similarly headed sections right near each other that make navigation difficult. These sections should probably be reorganised to better fit the Style Guide, and can probably be condensed or subheaded more clearly.
Repetition: Several facts within the article are repeated almost verbatim throughout. Some of these facts are included in sections where it doesn't seem they best fit. Additionally, throughout the section on his actions as President, there is this kind of foreshadowing that makes the article difficult to read at best.
As the guidelines make clear, the multiple issues flag doesn't exist to pile on to the author of an article, or authors for that matter. That being said, there are other, smaller issues with the article that could do with addressing, if a major clean-up occurs. These include some issues with referencing, missing dates, missing page numbers, and other such referencing errors.
There is also some sections that could do with restructuring to make them more clear. In some paragraphs, the events mentioned are only loosely connected by dates, and the article jumps back and forth in time in confusing ways. The use of full names, as opposed to just last names, should be considered in certain sections where it is unclear about whom the article is speaking.
Overall, while the article seems to be an excellent source of knowledge about Marcos and his regime, its structural problems obfuscate that and make it difficult to parse all that information. If I am able to, I will dedicate some serious time to restructuring the article in a sandbox before rolling it out. Any advice from local experts on Marcos or Filipino politics in general would be much appreciated to ensure a cleaned-up version does not miss anything important.
Yes, this is an encyclopedia, but call a spade a spade. There is no "author" to this page. It is a collaborative work of many authors. For working in a sandbox, we would rather that you edit the page incrementally than make sweeping changes so your work can be more transparent and make sure you don't break anything like citations, etc. -Object404 (talk) 04:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please would someone change:
He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood, extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] and a crushing debt crisis.
to:
"He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood and extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] together with a crushing debt crisis."
?
84.9.131.171 (talk) 17:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please would someone change: He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood, extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] and a crushing debt crisis.
to: "He was elected president of the Philippines in 1965 and presided over an economy that grew during the beginning of his 20-year rule[31] but would end in the loss of livelihood and extreme poverty for almost half the Philippine population,[32][33] together with a crushing debt crisis." ? 84.9.131.171 (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, it's an analogy considering Marcos is associated with widespread human rights violations, but probably not mass murder unless you count extrajudicial killings. Hitler would more likely be considered a mass murderer for the Holocaust alone. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
level-4 vital article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Done. —seav (talk) 19:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
