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kicking of thimerosal

His kicking of the thimerosal anthill ought to be fit in somehow. ("You mean to tell me since 1929 we've been using thimerosal and the only test that you know of is the one that was done in 1929, and every one of those people got meningitis and they all died?" 19 Jul 2002) It was a service to mankind that made up for Helms-Burton. 142.177.169.163 21:26, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Actual first name

I am pretty sure that Congressman Burton's name is actually Danny and not Daniel. Every bit of material I have seen on the subject points to Danny. His congressional biography should be a good enough source. Harmon1630

I changed his name, but it was reverted back. I am not sure why it was reverted. Daniel Burton is not the first name of the congressman. It is actually Danny Burton. (Harmon1630 21:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

His congressional biography [1] just has "Dan". I have never seen him called "Danny", except perhaps by his critics who are making fun of him. If that is his legal name, he doesn't use it. --rogerd 23:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I found proof where he actually signed his name as Danny Burton.[2] So he definitely has used the name before. I vote in his district and I will check in a few weeks, but he appears as Danny "Dan" Burton on the ballot. (Harmon1630)

On the congressional biography website he also refers to himself as Danny in his speech on CAFTA (Harmon1630)

Perhaps best known? Said to have?

I removed this:

"Burton is perhaps best known for his efforts to prove that former White House aide Vince Foster was murdered. He is said to have fired shots at a watermelon or pumpkin in his backyard to test a theory about Foster's death."

because it is unsourced opinion. By whom is he said to have shot a watermelon? I don't object to having the observation included as long as there is a reputable source for it. As to what he is best known for, I guess that's debatable; I do wonder; Of the people who know who Dan Burton is, how many know who Vince Foster was? Tom harrison 17:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have to say that his notoriety is due far more to having a child out of wedlock than being a promoter of the Vince Foster fracas.

All it takes to find proof for these is to do a Google search; I found an article by Time stating the exact thing quoted above four results down after searching "dan burton vince foster". Before removing, place a citation tag to allow other editors to find a source for the information if you can't.--Gloriamarie 19:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's true in general, but for biographies of living people, the citation needs to be included when the material is added. If there is no citation, the material must be removed until one is provided. Tom Harrison ^Talk 14:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History Merge of Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman) & Dan Burton

To repair the creation of the ill-advised Dab, i am merging the histories of both titles. The following will aid in decoding the confusingly interleaved histories.

Edits made to Dan Burton Dab page

22:28, 28 December 2005 Folajimi
22:26, 28 December 2005 Folajimi
21:18, 28 December 2005 Folajimi
19:27, 28 December 2005 Folajimi (moved Dan Burton to Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman): Disambiguation needed.)

Edits made to Dan Burton bio article its later title Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman)

19:27, 28 December 2005 Folajimi m (moved Dan Burton to Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman))
17:06, 6 December 2005 Jossi m (Reverted edits by 69.214.26.195 (talk) to last version by Elliskev)
16:59, 6 December 2005 69.214.26.195
16:58, 6 December 2005 69.214.26.195
14:47, 30 November 2005 Elliskev (recat)
22:02, 29 November 2005 Ombudsman m (→External link - touchups, Wikifications)
21:35, 29 November 2005 Ombudsman (add autism section & links)
17:36, 22 October 2005 Tom harrison (see talk page)
17:07, 22 October 2005 Pasboudin (rv unexplained deletion of half the article)
05:19, 20 October 2005 RobyWayne m (Popups-assisted disambiguation from Indiana University to Indiana University system)
17:16, 12 October 2005 Tom harrison (rv - 'said to have' by who?)
17:14, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54
17:12, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54
17:11, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54
01:10, 12 October 2005 Stinerman m (possible vandalism)
07:43, 8 October 2005 66.75.251.45
15:28, 26 May 2005 68.33.112.26
02:45, 26 April 2005 161.253.50.24
03:28, 15 April 2005 Rogerd (added photo)
03:31, 14 April 2005 Rogerd (IN-FedRep)
14:05, 17 March 2005 Seth Ilys (link to congressional district map)
04:09, 22 November 2004 Postdlf
20:57, 16 October 2004 D6 m (adding Category:1938 births , see WP:People by year)
00:20, 12 August 2004 Everyking
15:21, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr
15:17, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr
15:09, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr (not a stub)
03:21, 9 December 2003 Jiang (full name)
03:20, 9 December 2003 Jiang
03:25, 7 December 2003 Angela m (fmt#)
01:10, 7 December 2003 Davodd (stub -- pub domain bio)

Keep unproven attacks out of the bios. Anyone can make a partisan accusation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.224.67.23 (talk • contribs) .

Stop removing sourced information simply because it happens to reflect poorly on a person. older ≠ wiser 19:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Succession

The succession information on this page is incorrect. It states that he succeeded Steve Buyer in 2003 as Indiana's 5th district congressman and prior to that he was the 6th district congressman. While technically correct, the post-2002 seat that Burton now holds is not the same district (I don't think there is any overlap) as the pre-2002 district that Buyer held. This is because, as a result of the 2000 Census, Indiana lost a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives and the 10 pre-2002 districts were re-drawn to the current 9 districts. Burton's current district is largely a superset of his old district, and has mostly the same constituents as before, plus a few more. In other words, Burton got a new district number, not a new district. The same thing happened to some of the other members of the Indiana delegation. --rogerd 00:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excessively detailed information

I've removed most of the details of awards that Burton has received, as well as lengthy discussion of the history of the RSC (covered in another article, anyway), and most of the discussion of a bill he sponsored that failed. Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information. Per WP:NPOV, giving excessive amounts of space to relatively unimportant things is itself a violation of the principal of neutrality.

Wikipedia should serve as a place where those interested can (for example) follow a link to see all the awards that Burton has garnered, not as a place to collect, show, and try to keep updated such a list. Besides which, that stuff is boring to most readers, precisely because it is relatively unimportant. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Rome

Rome just read directly off this page on his radio show. He said several times "I'm getting this right off Wikipedia." It was in reference to what Burton said about Brian McNamee. He read the part about Burton being a "skirt-chaser" and Burton marrying the doctor that treated his mother. Enigma (talk) 17:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All of which means that it's absolutely critical to build articles like this from reliable sources, and to provide links to those sources so that readers can find out more details (as well as verifying that what's in the Wikipedia article is actually coming from such sources). Reliable sources are also what keeps the Wikimedia Foundation - and editors of the Wikipedia article - from being sued (successfully, at least) for libel. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Burton and McNamee

The recent additions by IP addresses haven't been the most helpful, but I think there should be a section on what happened on Capitol Hill on Wednesday. Enigma (talk) 18:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've not been following the story at all, but if what Burton did/said has been discussed in the news, then sure, there should be a section. Perhaps we could start by collecting a few links, here, from which to build the section? Or someone can simply be bold and start something. But please, please - use reliable sources, don't just insert text based on what you saw on TV, or heard on the radio, or read in a blog. And cite those sources. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of legislation

Illegal Immigration

After this section was removed citing WP:NOT I restored part of the edit because I disagree with the non-notability assertion. CredoFromStart ^talk 17:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CredoFromStart and I discussed this; he agreed that since the legislation never passed, it's not notable per se. As we discussed, newspaper articles reporting the controversy about the legislation (if in fact there were such) would be worth mentioning, plus a short summary of the legislation.

Defense of Marriage Act

Burton was one of 117 co-sponsors. The House probably passes several hundred bills per year, and any given House member is probably co-sponsor of dozens of these, at minimum. If we included a section about each one, for each Congressperson who was a co-sponsor, then Wikipedia articles would consist mostly of hundreds of sections describing bills.

Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information. If Burton's involvement with this particular bill was so substantial that newspapers and/or news magazines described what he did in some detail - and obviously those newspaper and other sources need to be cited - then fine, there should be such a section. But if he merely added his name to a long list of co-sponsors, then sorry, that's not important. (There is already a section on his conservative political stance, and I suppose this could be added, but that would then start making that into a laundry list.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the sole definition for interesting and useful information to you, Mr. Broughton, is that it must be negative.KLF2007 (talk) 04:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove cited material in order to retaliate against another editor. I've reverted your deletions. Gamaliel (talk) 04:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Illegitimate Child

It is very odd that the illegitimate child he fathered, which is well documented in the news is not mentioned.65.87.184.50 (talk) 09:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it is well documented with reliable sources, then either add it to the article citing your sources, or at least leave the references here and we will look into it. --rogerd (talk) 14:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is PBS.org:

PBS.org

'Last week, Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN), an outspoken critic of President Clinton, admitted he had an extramarital affair and fathered a child out of wedlock.'

Here is Time Magazine:

Time Magazine

'The next day his memory was jogged again when he learned that an Indianapolis paper would report that he had had an affair and fathered an illegitimate child.'

Also Salon magazine, and I am sure there are others.65.87.184.50 (talk) 17:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had reason to look this person up and also found it odd that his illegitimate child is not mentioned. Here is the latimes article: LA Times 173.95.166.98 (talk) 02:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Golfing?

what the hell is so controversial about golfing? John Asfukzenski (talk) 02:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Read the paragraph. It's not that he plays golf, it's that he was taking free stuff. Just read it. It's self-explanatory. Golf is not controversial in and of itself, no. Enigma^msg 02:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daughter

I'm curious as to why the passage about his daughter receiving a salary was included under controversies. The passage even states that no law seems to have been broken. Even if we accept that premise that it's "legal but still questionable", then why aren't the more prolific offenders having their wiki bios amended to include their activities in this regard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.244.13 (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rep. Dan Burton's Legacy: Lots of Sick Kids

Interesting article:

Rep. Dan Burton's Legacy: Lots of Sick Kids. by Stephanie Mencimer, Mother Jones, Jan. 31, 2012

Brangifer (talk) 07:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Laetrile and other alternative medicine claims

I think his support of Laetrile and his condemnation of vaccines should probably be documented under the "controversies" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angmar09 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Special:Diff/1164879696 "Most manufacturers removed the preservatives from their vaccines anyway, with no resulting decrease in autism rates" - precisely because there is no link between vaccines and autism anyway. But the suggested source, while not particularly bad, did not meet WP:MEDRS. —Paleo Neonate – 00:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]