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considering the IDF being more lenient with the Christians, I would say it isn't true. My village fully Christian and in the Galilee was massacred and expelled. Massacre of Ilabun 185.53.41.59 (talk) 00:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any evidence of this? I don’t mean to be rude, but it’s Wikipedia in the time of sustained information warfare.. anyone can say anything, so without additional context your comment looks like propaganda. 49.185.179.55 (talk) 09:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Eilabun massacre. Both of you need to read WP:ARBECR. There is a difference between these comments. 185.53.41.59 has made what amounts to an edit request presumably referring to the statement "More lenience was applied to the Christians of the Galilee" in this Palestinian Christians article. You, 49.185.179.55, have commented on it. This is not allowed by the remedies. You can make a different edit request but you can't join this one. Only extendedconfirmed editors can respond. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Said should be added to the list of notable Palestinian Christians

(1935-2003) Edward Wadie Said was a Palestinian American academic of Christian Palestinian descent. He was a founder of post-colonial studies and a professor of literature at Columbia University. Born in Jerusalem, Said’s memoir ‘Out of Place’ reveals how his early life influenced his books ‘Orientalism’ and ‘Culture and Imperialism’. 7atar (talk) 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arab tribes

@Evaporation123: Thanks for the useful additions. I think now however there is an implication that Palestinian Arab Christians are only Arabized culturally and linguistically, without regard to the Arab lineage of many Palestinian families including from Ghassanids for example. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made an edit mentioning the Ghassanids just now in the early history section. Evaporation123 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also keep in mind, most Palestinians in general ultimately do not have ancestry from the Arabian peninsula. See Origin of the Palestinians. Evaporation123 (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allegation falsely stated as fact

This section falsely presents as fact the allegation that IDF snipers killed the two Catholic women: "Since the start of the ongoing Israel–Hamas war in October 2023, there have been several incidents involving Palestinian Christians in the Gaza Strip, most notably the Church of Saint Porphyrius airstrike and the killing of two Catholic women by an Israeli sniper in the Holy Family Parish in northern Gaza."

In reality this is contested, which is notable since the IDF frequently admits when it mistakenly kills civilians. See https://www.foxnews.com/world/idf-rebuffs-accusations-killed-two-women-church-gaza-investigation-continues.

And: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/256335/after-military-review-idf-again-denies-killing-two-women-at-gaza-catholic-church 174.194.135.221 (talk) 08:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed 7th smciation. 64.189.18.53 (talk) 05:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Left guide (talk) 05:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional information regading christian population

can we add some additional information from 2022 regarding the Christian population in Palestine?

"According to various estimates, 50,000 Christian Palestinians reside in the West Bank and Jerusalem, and according to media reports and religious communities, there are approximately 1,300 Christians residing in Gaza. Local Christian leaders state Palestinian Christian emigration has continued at rapid rates." from:

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-west-bank-and-gaza/west-bank-and-gaza/#:~:text=According%20to%20various%20estimates%2C%2050%2C000,has%20continued%20at%20rapid%20rates. Finkyspinky (talk) 17:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian Christians Emigration, Their Views of Israeli Occupation and Muslims

I would like to suggest adding information about the emigration Christians from Palestine, how Palestinian Christians' view the Israeli occupation of Palestinian Territories and their relationship with Muslims

The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) conducted a poll of Palestinian Christians in June 2020, which had support from the Philos Project (a pro-Israel, pro-two state solution organization). https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep25112?seq=10

Regarding Palestinian Christians' views of Israeli Occupation, the poll shows mostly negative views: "Findings show that 3% have had their homes demolished by the Israeli army, 14% say the Israeli occupation forces have confiscated their land, 17% have been exposed to army fire, 42% have to cross Israeli check points, 6% have been banned from travel, and 28% say they live near Israeli settlements (which in turn exacerbates all these threats). Similarly, 83% to 84% say that they are worried about settlers’ attacks, a potential denial of their civil rights, or an Israeli expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and lands. Additionally, 73% are worried about the endless Israeli occupation and 67% are worried about an Israeli annexation of Palestinian territories. Perhaps the most worrying finding of all is that 62% of Palestinian Christians believe that Israel’s goal is to expel the Christians from their homeland." (pages 9-10)

Regarding their relationship with Muslims, the poll shows a mostly positive relationship, but unease with Hamas and Salafists.

"When asked to evaluate the relationship with their Muslim neighbors who live close to their homes, about two-thirds (65%) said it is excellent or normal while 10% described it as 'medium' or bad, and 25% said they have no Muslim neighbors. When asked how religious their Muslim neighbors are, 64% said they are moderate and 9% said they are too religious or extreme, and 20% said they are liberals or open-minded. When asked if they would accept a Muslim as their neighbor, 14% said they would not while 47% said they would very much accept such neighbors; 39% said it makes no difference to them if their neighbors are Muslims." (page 6)

"An overwhelming majority of 77% are worried about the presence of religious Salafist groups and 69% are worried about the presence of armed Palestinian factions such as Hamas. Two-thirds said they are worried about the fact that the Palestinian Basic Law refers to the principles of the Islamic Sharia as a main source of legislation and are concerned about the rise of political Islam as represented by Hamas, Islamic Jihad, al Tahrir Party, as well as extreme and conservatives in the Palestinian society." (page 11)

"When asked about incidents of exposure to harassment from members of the Palestinian society, the overwhelming majority says that it has not been exposed to such things. Percentages between 81% and 89% say they have not been exposed to harassment from Muslim neighbors, or because they are Christians, or exposed to mocking of their religious beliefs, nor have their children been exposed to harassment at schools because of their religion. Still, a percentage ranging between 10% to 18% did indicate having been exposed to such things. It is also worth noting that 27% say that they have been exposed to racist curses and or epithets like “kafir” or non-believer or Crusader and others while 73% say they have not been exposed to such curses or epithets. Worse yet, a large minority standing at 43% feel that most Muslims do not wish to see them in this land, though54% say they do not feel this way." (pages 12-13)

"When asked about the religious freedom Christians enjoy in Palestine, half responded that it is very high or high enough, 27% said it is medium or average, and 11% said it is low or very low. When asked if the respondent himself or herself experienced discrimination because of his/her religion, the majority responded in the negative: 85% said they do not suffer from discrimination when dealing with people and society, 62% do not experience discrimination when looking for a job, and 59% said they do not suffer discrimination when seeking PA services. By contrast, a percentage ranging between 13% and 24% stated that they have suffered discrimination in one or more of these cases.

Additionally, despite the fact that 70% of the respondents indicate that they, as Christians, feel fully integrated in Palestinian society, 30% do not feel that. Moreover, 44% believe that there is discrimination against Christians when they seek jobs in the private sector while an identical percentage (44%) feel that there is no such discrimination. Furthermore, a minority of 29% feel that some Muslims hate Christians while 68% say they do not feel such hatred. Less than a quarter (23%) say that an acquaintance has at one time or another called upon them to become Muslims while more than three quarters (77%) say no one called upon them to do that. By contrast, 8% of the respondents say that they have asked Muslim acquaintances to convert to Christianity while 92% say they have never done that. A large majority (70%) has heard a Muslim state that Christians will go to Hellfire, while 29% say they have never heard that. Despite that, an overwhelming majority of 92% say that if a Muslim friend asked about his/her Christian beliefs, they feel that they can describe them while only 6% say they cannot do that." (pages 13-14)

Finally, the poll says, "the largest percentage (59%) indicated that the main reason for thinking about emigrating is economic." Flipperndipper (talk) 08:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"worried about the presence of religious Salafist groups" Is that really surprising? The Salafi movement has a reputation of producing religious hardliners, authoritarian politicians, and militant Jihadis. Dimadick (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change the word nationalistically; incorrect usage of this adverb. This is actually a disparaging word meant 'with too much pride in ones country.' If the author meant to use it as nationalism or nationalistic still erroneous for the usage; Palestinian Christians or Christian Arabs. Arab is not a nationality it's an ethnicity. Possibly could use identity of Palestinian Christians as ethno-religious or ethno-national. 47.149.190.252 (talk) 18:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]